For builders
Indirect lighting for a new home
The right moment to decide, the right order to act, the right questions for the electrical designer – and what the answers should be.
When the decision is made
The structures for indirect lighting must be decided before plasterboarding. In practice that means before the electrical drawings, because the drawings mark the positions of drivers, switches and control cables. After that every change means chasing out walls.
A typical new-build schedule:
- 3-4 months before moving in: Lighting plan finished. This determines everything else – positions of structures, control method, number of drivers. The lighting plan is given to the electrical designer.
- 2-3 months before: Electrical plan to the plasterboard installer. Driver positions, cable routes, switches, access hatches.
- 6-8 weeks before: Plasterboarding and skimming. The most expensive stage of building – a change afterwards means chasing out and re-boarding.
- 2-4 weeks before: Painting, profile installation, strip installation, connection.
The most common reason for failure
Lighting is decided last. When the plasterboard installer arrives there is no plan, and the light cove is not built. The plan must be ready before the first building meeting – not during construction.
Questions for the electrical designer
The electrical designer does what is asked. If indirect light is not mentioned, it does not end up in the drawings. Below are the questions by theme – under each, what the question means in practice and what a good answer looks like. Click a question to open it.
1. Drivers and servicing
The driver is the part that fails first, typically in 5-10 years. Its position decides whether replacing it is a five-minute or a five-hour job.
Where is a supply needed for the driver – will you mark them on the drawing?
Every indirect light line needs a 230 V supply to its driver. If the supply is not drawn, the electrician does not install it, and the strip is left without power. A normal room needs 1-2 supplies (spotlights + indirect light). Large perimeters need conduit/cable from both ends to the same driver.
Good answer: ”I mark the position of every driver and its supply. Tell me where the structures are, and I will place the drivers at the nearest serviceable point.”
Where are the drivers placed – inside the box behind an access hatch, on top of a cabinet or in a technical room?
Three options, three different cabling layouts. Inside the box the driver is close to the strip but needs an access hatch. On top of a cabinet it is easy to replace but the cable has to be run there. In a technical room everything is in one place, but the 24 V cable can get long and the voltage drop increases.
Good answer: ”On top of a cabinet or in a technical room if the distance to the strip is under 5 metres. Otherwise inside the box, and I draw the access hatch position on the boarding drawing.”
How large is the access hatch, and who makes sure it ends up in the boarding?
The access hatch is a building detail, not an electrical detail – it easily falls between two contractors. If the electrical designer places the driver in the box but nobody draws the hatch on the boarding drawing, the driver gets plastered in.
Good answer: ”I mark the hatch on the electrical drawing at a minimum of 300 × 300 mm, and record in the contract scope that the boarder builds it.”
2. Control – how the light is used
This is the question most people cannot answer until it is asked. The answer determines the cabling, and cabling cannot be changed after boarding.
Do you want individual lights controlled from a switch, or scenes where one button sets several lights?
The traditional way: one switch, one light, on or off. Scene control: one ”Evening” button dims the general light to 30 percent, switches on the kickboard light and turns off the kitchen task light. Scenes need a system – either wireless Zigbee or wired DALI. Traditional switch control needs nothing, but it only gives dimming for one group with dimmable drivers.
Good answer: ”Scene control. I will cable it so that it works, and we choose the system next.”
Zigbee or DALI – and what does it mean for the cabling?
Both do scenes and dimming, but they are cabled completely differently. Zigbee is wireless: the driver gets a 230 V supply and has a radio built in, the buttons are battery-powered and no control cable is needed – no cable to wall boxes! Cheaper to cable, and the button position can be decided later.
DALI is wired: in addition to the supply, a two-wire control bus is run to every driver, and the buttons are connected to the same bus. More expensive to cable but does not depend on radio, and it is the standard in public spaces.
For a home Zigbee is almost always enough – DALI makes sense if the house already has a DALI system for other lights, or if everything is to be hard-wired.
Good answer: ”Zigbee, unless a DALI bus is going into the house anyway. If DALI, I draw the bus to all drivers now – it cannot be added afterwards.”
If Zigbee is chosen, what still has to go on the electrical plan?
Zigbee needs no control cable for wall switches, but that does not mean nothing goes on the electrical plan. Every driver still needs a 230 V supply and a position. And the gateway needs a socket and a network connection; it can be installed anywhere in the house with Ethernet. The app finds the gateway and its lights over the local network (Wi-Fi).
Good answer: ”A supply and position for every driver, switch boxes for any buttons where batteries are not wanted, and a socket for the gateway in a central location.”
How many control groups – one per room, or split into general light and mood light?
A control group is a set of lights that behave together. If the living room’s indirect light and the kickboard light are in the same group, they cannot be dimmed separately. Usually at least two groups per living space are wanted: general light and mood light. In Zigbee the groups are programmable, i.e. changeable afterwards. In DALI they are also programmable, but in traditional switch control the group is whatever is wired to the same switch – and that is fixed after boarding.
Good answer: ”At least two groups per living space. With Zigbee the groups can be changed later – but there has to be one driver per group, so the number is decided now.”
3. Cabling and voltage drop
How long is the run from the driver to the strip, and is a 1.5 mm² cable enough?
With a 24 V strip, voltage drop is usually only a minor issue if the access hatch is near the room, so runs from driver to light are 1-5 metres. For cables over 10 metres, 1.0-1.5 mm² is recommended. For longer runs (everything installed at the distribution board), the solution is a thicker cable, 2.5 mm². The electrical designer calculates this if the distances are known.
Good answer: ”I keep the 24 V cables under 5 metres or size the cross-section for the loss. Tell me the driver positions and strip lengths.”
Are long strips fed from both ends?
In a strip over 7-8 metres the far end dims even with a thick cable, because the loss happens inside the strip. The solution is to feed from both ends, which means two cables from the driver, or the strip is cut in the middle and fed from two drivers. This must be known before the cables are pulled. The most common arrangement is one driver with a feed from both ends to the same driver.
Good answer: ”Yes, and I need to know which strips are over 7-8 metres.”
Where do the junction boxes go – can they be hidden behind furniture?
Every joint needs space or a box that remains accessible IF the joint is made at the end of the LED strip. A large hole next to or under the LED profile spoils the result. The best solution is to run a 16-22 mm conduit from the driver to the end of the LED profile, so the cable can be fed in one piece all the way to the driver without joints.
Good answer: ”I place the boxes and joints behind access hatches or furniture, and mark them on the joinery drawing.”
4. Placement of controls
Where do the buttons go, and do they need a supply?
A Zigbee button is battery-powered and can be fixed anywhere – no cable. If a normal-looking wall button matching the other switches is wanted, LedStore’s Zigbee buttons fit 55 mm switch ranges such as EXXACT, INTRO and JUNG. The button itself needs no box behind it, so it can be added to the other switches simply by enlarging the frame by one (e.g. 3-gang → 4-gang). A DALI button always needs the bus cable and therefore a box behind it.
Good answer: ”With Zigbee we choose a button that fits, e.g., the EXXACT range. Battery buttons basically need no box behind them.”
Will the house have motion sensors, and where?
The hallway, corridor, WC and utility room benefit from a motion sensor. A Zigbee sensor is battery-powered and wireless. A conventional sensor needs a supply and connection ahead of the driver.
Good answer: ”Zigbee sensors in the hallway and corridor, no cabling. If conventional, a supply to the sensor and it connects ahead of the driver.”
5. Structures and contract scope
Who makes sure the box depth and profile position end up on the boarding drawing?
The electrical designer does not draw structures – that is the architect’s or structural designer’s job (and often the lighting designer’s!). But if nobody takes responsibility, the box is built to the wrong depth or there is no room left for the profile.
Good answer: ”I ask for the construction drawings and mark the electrical points on them. The structure dimensions come from the architect – make sure they have them.”
Is there indirect light in the bathroom and sauna, and what does it require?
The bathroom and sauna are wet rooms. The driver must not be in bathroom zones 0-2, and in the sauna the strip may only be under the benches below 60 degrees. The driver is placed outside the bathroom and the 24 V cable is brought in.
Good answer: ”Drivers outside the wet rooms, IP65 strip, and the sauna strip under the benches. I mark the zones on the electrical drawing.”
6. Provisions for the future
Can the cabling be done so that indirect light can be added later?
If the budget does not stretch now, a provision alone is cheap: a supply for the driver and an empty conduit to the strip position. The structure, i.e. the box, still has to be built now, because it cannot be added afterwards. The provision keeps the option open – without it, retrofitting is limited to surface profiles.
Good answer: ”Yes. I run the supply and conduit, and mark them on the drawing as a provision.”
| Traditional switch | Zigbee | DALI | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Cabling | Supply + switch cable | Supply to driver only | Supply + 2-wire bus |
| Buttons | Switch box + cable | Battery, no cable or box | Bus cable |
| Dimming | Separate dimmer, compatibility risk | Built in | Built in |
| Scenes | No | Yes | Yes |
| Changing groups afterwards | No – fixed at boarding | Yes, by programming | Yes, by programming |
| Cabling cost | Low | Lowest | Highest |
| For a home | If no dimming is wanted | Recommended | If there is a DALI bus anyway |
Control methods and dimming in detail: Dimming and control · Driver sizing
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Frequently asked questions
Is indirect lighting worth it in a new home?
Yes, if the decision is made before the ceiling structure is fixed. Then it takes little height and the extra cost is small. Afterwards the same result costs many times more.
At what stage of a building project is the lighting decided?
At the same time as the ceiling structure, before boarding. Four things must be decided: structure depth, profile position, cable routes and driver location.
How much does indirect lighting cost for a house?
Materials €40-60/m. In a typical detached house with indirect light in four rooms, materials are €3,000-5,000. Building work comes on top if the structure is plasterboard.
Which rooms is indirect lighting worth it in?
Living room and bedroom first – that is where the benefit is greatest. Kitchen third, but there it is general light that needs task light alongside. The hallway and corridor benefit because the space opens up.
Can indirect lighting be left until later?
Yes, if the cable routes and box space are reserved now. A provision alone is cheap and keeps the option open. Without it, retrofitting is limited to surface profiles.
Zigbee or DALI for a new home?
Zigbee almost always: cheaper to cable, battery buttons, changeable groups. DALI only makes sense if a DALI bus is going into the house anyway or you want to connect to home automation. A DALI bus cannot be added afterwards, Zigbee can.